Tidal Waves

[Henford]

I was watching the dam effect just before and something suddenly sprung to my mind.
In real life, if a nuclear bomb is detonated in the water, a resulting tidal wave is formed.
In generals, we all know the flooding water effect can be used, but in a mod such as mine, with naval units, could the same effect be created as the effect of a nuke going off in the water, creating a tidal wave that sweeps through the water and pushes inland destroying everything in it's path?
Now im just picturing it and think it would rock, if anything, adding a new level of strategy to the game. Also considering both the US and Iraq have nuclear weapons, that are not as powerful as the Australian antimatter Cannon, this could balance the teams a bit better.
If anyone has any suggestions, this is the place to post them.

[smurfbizkit]

I dunno, I'm still hung up on your mod's concept....I mean it seems like "hey australia is cool..so lets make a story that somehow makes it a superpower"

while in reality, it would NEVER happen...at best they would be the only main country left alive after a nuclear holocaust (anyone ever read "on the beach"...)

[Henford]

OK but the post was about the effect with the water, not australia.

[main_concept]

if a nuke hit the water, it would vaporize! but that wouldn't be bad, if a nuke hit the NEAR the water it would create a tidal wave...

[TGMTE]

Modern nukes are set to airburst to vaporize a larger area,
they never hit the ground.

[SabotageSpy]

During the cold war the soviets had armed some of their subs with nuclear tipped torpedoes! But I dont think they would have created tidal waves? :D

[HighGround]

it would have been Depleted uranium but firing DUP warheads underwater is just beyond chemical spillage u can contaminate vast areas, in the gulf (war 1 not 2) we had DUP rounds they cut through tanks armour like hot knife through butter. All nukes are set to detonate above the ground only 2 nukes have ever been used in combat and they hit the ground the rest are just stockpiled in russia and the US and twhen the bunkers fill up they sell them to saddam

[RVMECH]

Didn't any of you youngsters ever hear of a island called Bikini? We blew off the face of the earth with a nuke. It didn't create a tidal wave......

[Flyby]

it would have been Depleted uranium but firing DUP warheads underwater is just beyond chemical spillage u can contaminate vast areas, in the gulf (war 1 not 2) we had DUP rounds they cut through tanks armour like hot knife through butter. All nukes are set to detonate above the ground only 2 nukes have ever been used in combat and they hit the ground the rest are just stockpiled in russia and the US and twhen the bunkers fill up they sell them to saddam

I'm sorry, but your understanding about the use of depleted uranium is wrong...
DU is 1.7 times more dense then lead and in addition it is highly pyrophoric - that is, when it strikes steel, heat from the friction causes it to burn...
It proved to be a very good steel penetrator, making an ideal choice for AP shells.
The down side is that when DU burns, it spews tiny particles of poisonous and radioactive uranium oxide in aerosol form, which can then travel for miles in the wind. Humans can ingest or inhale the small particles. Even one particle, when lodged in a vital organ--which is most likely to happen from inhalation-- can cause illnesses from headaches to cancer.

To come back to the torpedo's, the russian, as wel as the americans btw, do have A-bomb armed torpedo's. You could compare them to the tactical nuclear cannon shells and are intended to take out big ships (carriers) or even fleets in one blow...
With conventional torpedos you'll need several hits on a carrier to sink it, an oppertunity you might not get in modern seawar conditions.

[FoxMcCloud]

During atomic testing in 1946 the USA used an underwater bomb codenamed BAKER durin Operation:Crossroads at Bakini Atoll. The bomb irradiated a 95 ship guinea pig fleet and sent 16 of them to the bottom of the ocean. The bomb created a 2 mile high column of water weighing in at over 460000 tonnes. And a wee bit of a wave too. I have a video if anyone wants to see.

The first bomb of operation: Crossroads was codenamed ABLE and was used on hte island of Bakini Atoll. A few years later, the first thermo-nuclear nuclear weapon destroyed Bakini Atoll and took it off the map.

[Phoib]

I'm sorry, but your understanding about the use of depleted uranium is wrong...
DU is 1.7 times more dense then lead and in addition it is highly pyrophoric - that is, when it strikes steel, heat from the friction causes it to burn...
It proved to be a very good steel penetrator, making an ideal choice for AP shells.
The down side is that when DU burns, it spews tiny particles of poisonous and radioactive uranium oxide in aerosol form, which can then travel for miles in the wind. Humans can ingest or inhale the small particles. Even one particle, when lodged in a vital organ--which is most likely to happen from inhalation-- can cause illnesses from headaches to cancer.
Well, here you have the discussion of DU...
Some facts, DU (Or Uranium 238 if I recall correctly) emits less radiation then normal background radiation. Uranium is a heavy metal, so when in your system it also causes severe poisoning, a gram of it in your system will destroy your kidney's.

Ok, here's the discussion. The pro-DU users say that since the radiation is less then normal background radiation, so it doesn't expose you to greater radiation levels compared to walking outside, it won't give radiation poisoning, only the "normal chemical" poisoning.
The contra-DU users (and I call myself to that group) acknowledges that the radiation level is less ten background levels, but the danger lies in the fact that when inhaled, you get radioactive particles inside you, and there the radiation has a much bigger change to destroy vital organs by radiation poisoning. Plus the fact of the severe chemical poisoning, it's quite lethal to the rest of the world...


To come back to the torpedo's, the russian, as wel as the americans btw, do have A-bomb armed torpedo's. You could compare them to the tactical nuclear cannon shells and are intended to take out big ships (carriers) or even fleets in one blow...
With conventional torpedos you'll need several hits on a carrier to sink it, an oppertunity you might not get in modern seawar conditions.
Well, most conventional heavy torpedo's (Like the American Mk48, the British Spearfish, or the Russian Type69) have a warhead of 500 kgs+, and are designed to detonate underneath the ship, breaking it apart at the kiel.
So a single conventional heavy torpedo can also be used, and the nuclear armed torpedo's are for ensuring a hit and taking out a fleet.

[mrpoo]

why are yanks so man on nuked

nukes are fucking useless these days.... so many miltary rules behind them its stupid

1 fact for you all: tactical nukes are a hell of a lot smaller then the atomic bombs on the japanease towns......

those ATOMIC bombs where the largest ever blasts on the earth... from bombs :D

the china nuke in generals is pretty dam realistic for a tactical nuke

[Phoib]

those ATOMIC bombs where the largest ever blasts on the earth... from bombs :D
Wrong, the bombs at Hirosjima and Nagasaki were small compared to the H-bombs that were tested by the USSR and USA.

The biggest from a H-Bomb tested by the USSR, dropped from a Tu-95 Bear: it's yield estimate was a terrifying 56 Megatons...

That's a blast that can be seen from the Moon!

Now that's quite interesting info about tidal waves ;)

[Phoib]

Frankly, it is...

Such a blast is enough to reduce Mount Everest into Lake Everest, with it's tidal waves!

:p

[mrpoo]

wrong my arse no other bombs where dropped

they where all fucking self launched missles

SO FECK YOU! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :p :p :p :drunk:

[Phoib]

*looks at author*

Dear god, here we go again...

:dead:

[FoxMcCloud]

Erm...wtf ? lol

If you want any information about a-h-f bombs or about radiation and blast effects etc, jsut give me a shout, i can provide detailed information, thats if you cant be arsed searching google or somehing lol.

[Henford]

OK mrpoo..
1) The bombs dropped on Japan at the end of WW2 were small compared to those tested by both the USA and USSR at the heat of the cold war. Atomic Bombs had just been created then and were lower-tech than those created later on.
2) I am pretty sure there is no difference between and Nuclear Bomb and Nuclear Missile as a delivery system, except the size of the warhead attached/bomb. The Nuclear Bombs possessed by the USA, Russia and the UK today are mainly Nuclear Warheads, ranging in size. These can be carried on a variety of missiles, including ICBMs.
The reason missiles are now used as the delivery system in opposition to bombs is that is is much safer, especially in modern war (especially as a result of the tension during the cold war). Some ICBMs possessed by the US can hit almost any point on the globe if needed. Pilots are no longer risked in dropping the bombs, and it's common fact that the resulting electro-magnetic pulse will cause most electrical systems to shut down (excluding the B2 and B52 bomber) which i think use nuclear power, and even these bombers use missiles to ensure they are clear of the blast radius.
3) Yes NUMEROUS other bombs were dropped. This included the testing of the 'Manhattan Project' (no need to explain, if you dont know what it was, go back to your rock), the actual execution (bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), several testings of A-bombs after the war pre cold-war, as well as the testings by the Soviets when they first discovered the technology, right up to and even including the time when a suitable missile delivery system was invented to carry sufficient size nukes.
4) Yes tactical nukes may be smaller and depleted uranium shells may not be nukes, but I assure you that it is common knowledge and tought in Year 10 History that much, much larger nukes were tested during the cold war era.
There are many other facts I could state, but at the moment I think I have said enough.

[Phoib]

To correct Henford a bit...

1)Currently the UK doesn't have Nuclear Weapons that can be dropped from planes. They have them on SLBM's though (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles).
2)The SS-20's on the Russian Typhoon's can hit almost every target from their docking area as well.
See here (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/summary.htm)for detailed lists about countries nuclear arsenals.
3)An ElectroMagneticPulse (or EMP) is only caused by a detonation in the upper atmosphere. See here (http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm) for the EMP physics.
4)The Manhattan test stand was a tower, not a dropped bomb.
The tower was completely and literally obliterated.

[FoxMcCloud]

Also the Trinity test, the first ever atomic bomb unleashed upon the earth. Dropped from a tower, turned the sand in the desert the test was in, to glass.

[mrpoo]

i'm just winding ya up i really new that

yea i new that ;)

;D