[n5p29]

If Red Alert 3 that will be released soon also modable (either with SDK or not) will Deezire Forum make the Red Alert 3 editing forum/download too?

[n5p29]

I think Kane's Wrath Editing is merged into Tiberium Wars Editing. That's why I ask the RA3, not Kane's Wrath.

Originally Posted by BlueGalacticRanger

I don't like the Red Alert 3 beta, so I am waiting for the retail version.

So do I

[DeeZire]

I have no plans to support RA3 in any way shape or form. In my opinion the game took a turn for the worse and ruined the franchise, and the inclusion of SecuROM and intrusive DRM put the nail in the coffin for me. Until that changes and EA stops disregarding it's loyal time served customers I wll not buy, play or mod any product that has been developed or published by them again.

[Master_Fenring]

A little bawwing over nothing, aren't you, Dee? The SecuROM has had no adverse effects towards the user base, the story going beyond RA2 is nothing and did nothing to the franchise that RA2 and Generals didn't already do.

TW and KW used the same SecuROM method as Red Alert 3 and no one bawwed up a storm like they did over RA3. Too many people blew the DRM way out of proportion. While I'm no proponent of the DRM since I do find it very excessively Draconian, I do think you're missing out on a really good product. The game was really well done and to let a DRM scare you away is as bad as EA's "shit on the fanbase attitude."

[DeeZire]

It's a matter of principle - I wont support such a product, nor will I support the publishers of that product whose attitude towards their customers quite frankly stinks. I DID have problems with SecoROM after installing C&C3 - it disabled my CD-RW drive.

I'm no EA basher, I just felt that RA3 used the whole 'alternate universe' thing as an excuse to put any old crap in. Psychic Schoolgirls or whatever they are was crap even for that game. To be honest I played the BETA and at that stage it was just a polished C&C3 mod.

They could have done something a simple as converting the original RA to the SAGE engine and it would have sold shitloads more IMHO.

[Master_Fenring]

Then your issues seem to be in the minority. I have Red Alert 3 and C&C3 installed and have had no performance or OS issues since I installed them. I stand behind my statement of people overblowing the whole thing, making it sound worse than it is. Not that I agree with EA's stupid decision to use this sort of DRM, and it hurts their sales more than the wacky content ever will.

Even still, psionic schoolgirls are no worse than Yuri and his psychic army from Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. It's all the same wacky shit used back and forth. I've never really cared much for realism in every game I play. Cause hell, by your logic, RA2 was bad because Yuri was in it or the Allies used Lighting Storms and Mirage Tanks, and strayed beyond the realms of possibility by a fair margin. Really, it's not a big leap for RA3 to have Yuriko Omega in it. So yeah, no sense in complaining about the surreal especially since plenty of games have gone way beyond it...

And... your suggestion of "just converting an old game" is inherently lazy, and rather flawed to be honest. It's a rehash and better left to mods than being the official product. I want new content, not a damn rehash. I'll play Red Alert if I want Red Alert.

[Dregan]

I support Dee's argument completely.

Quote Master_Fenring (couldn't find quote button)
Even still, psionic schoolgirls are no worse than Yuri and his psychic army from Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. It's all the same wacky shit used back and forth. I've never really cared much for realism in every game I play. Cause hell, by your logic, RA2 was bad because Yuri was in it or the Allies used Lighting Storms and Mirage Tanks, and strayed beyond the realms of possibility by a fair margin. Really, it's not a big leap for RA3 to have Yuriko Omega in it. So yeah, no sense in complaining about the surreal especially since plenty of games have gone way beyond it...

I think many people feel robbed because even RA2 was a rapage of the original franchise. Business is business and EA as a business is very sucessful, but RA has never been the same since RA2 was released. Ra3 is an extrapolation of RA2 which is incredibly wrong from and fan's and a modders perspective. No RA after RA is and RA IMO.

-Mortecha- (my alias, can I please have mine changed here as well ).

[CommieDog]

Originally Posted by Master_Fenring

Even still, psionic schoolgirls are no worse than Yuri and his psychic army from Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. It's all the same wacky shit used back and forth. I've never really cared much for realism in every game I play. Cause hell, by your logic, RA2 was bad because Yuri was in it or the Allies used Lighting Storms and Mirage Tanks, and strayed beyond the realms of possibility by a fair margin. Really, it's not a big leap for RA3 to have Yuriko Omega in it. So yeah, no sense in complaining about the surreal especially since plenty of games have gone way beyond it...

Yuri was there to represent the the real-life psychic research program that the RL Soviet Union had during the cold war (or rather, the overblown paranoid American view of that program). Actually, a lot of the advanced weapons that appeared first in RA2 are based on the premise that some of those bizarre weapon programs actually paid off. But since the entire premise of RA2 is a spoof of the Cold War, they actually fit quite well. Yuriko, on the other hand, is basically "OMG ANIME!!!11!!1"

Of course, RA2 still raped the alternate history of RA by drawing geopolitical boundaries based on the RL Cold War. For example, all of the Eastern Europe satellite states are considered Soviet Territory in RA2 despite the Soviet Union's defeat in the canon RA equivalent of WWII. Japan is also a militarily weak Allied nation (though this was overturned in RA3). And the Iwo Jima and USS Arizona monuments exist in RA2, apparently recognizing events that didn't happen in the RA timeline.

But somehow this didn't stop DeeZire from modding RA2...

[DeeZire]

@Master_Fenring - lol, I dont want to upset anybody I have a lot of respect for you bud You have your opinion and I have mine so it may be easier for me to say that for a number of reasons RA3 just didnt float my boat - so it's significant that it's the only C&C game I have never bought. Plus, I fall well outside the demographic that the marketing for the game clearly targeted, sorry but at my age it actually takes a good, polished, bug-free game with non-intrusive DRM to get me to part with money rather than pictures of scantily clad women who appear in soft porn mags. RA3 maerketing = epic fail to this individual with high disposable income.

As CommieDog says, even though RA2 was plain wacky in many ways compared to RA1 I could still buy the story because it still followed the kinda alternate universe and story - the 'what if' factor. RA3 went waaay too far off the mark.

@Commie_Dog - I modded RA2 because you could. You can't mod RA3 properly and they dont want you to. Imagine what a mod on the scope of RA2 DeeZire would do to sales of any RA3 expansion pack...

Besides, the whole C&C community is a shadow of its former self. The only news I see these days is mods of old games (because the new ones cant be modded as well as they should be) and stuff thrown at the sites from EA. You... will... be... assimilated...

Finally, I am far form alone in this thought. Some of the most long standing, accomplished and dedicated members of the community are of the same opinion. Take this as acse in point form Chriz (Stygs);-

Tiberium Wars Advanced Mod for C&C: Tiberium Wars All Good Things (Come To An End) news - Mod DB

I couldnt agree more about GECK having used it myself, and the WIKI they put up to support it just rocks.

[bdizzle18]

A handful of you may have seen a couple of my maps floating around.. I submitted a few to cncgames.com and worked on a couple of Cannis.net maps (with his permission) - I'm not really in the scene anymore nor have I been for years... I play RA2 once a week or so... no better game has ever been made.

I am completely agreeing with Deezire; I even registered today JUST to say that -- along with THANKs for that nice encyclopedia I used years ago to learn how to edit ra2 maps...

I downloaded this as a trial -- The opening videos are boring - the soundtrack is ok... (same people did it - but what I heard could have been better) The actors are awful for their role - the game content is completely wrong and too futuristic - the game interface is crap -- and of course the technologies mentioned in prior posts is also BS...

If you want more details keep reading:

They have made MANY mistakes with this new game. I will list a few:

The actors they have cast to play the roles - are well known to most of the world - and due to the roles they have played in the past are COMPLETELY NOT BELIEVABLE in their Ra3 roles.

I see Ensign Sulu - he is not a scary emperor...

I see an ex porn star/playmate who is a poor replacement to the previously believable Tonya.

I see a comedian playing the new Russian premier.

Oh and Ugly Betty's dad is not a hard core scary general.

--Lets get over that - and get onto the game content...

I enjoyed the LIMITATIONS of the ra2 game - soviets on land - allieds with air and odd tactics - if you can keep a soviet guy across the water from you - with no naval - they are basically screwed...

Yuri's revenge ruined that - making lots of ludicrous things...

Now RedAlert 3 takes it a few steps farther and makes this game look like C&C with completely UN BELIEVABLE machines - tanks - and other things that do not remotely look realistic...

IF I WANTED goofy fake futuristic units I would play C&C instead... -- NO... I wanted the more realistic feel of Ra2.



The interface?

I liked the RA1 and RA2 interface - it was perfect.... I refuse to play C&C -- or worse yet - Generals - because those interfaces STINK... I DO NOT want to click a building to make a unit -- I want to be anywhere on my map - looking at anything - and use the all inclusive menu on the right to control everything; RA3's interface is AWFUL and NOT what it should be -- THERE FORE I WILL NEVER PLAY IT.


Instead I will continue to play my UN upgraded - basic Red Alert 2 game until the end of time.

Or until someone takes it - and simply IMPROVES the graphics - and makes new maps.

All I really want is the same exact game - the same exact units - with better graphics, new maps - and new movies using the same actors.

Lets just pretend RedAlert 3 was never made -- or better yet go back in time and get the idiots that OK'd this thing FIRED!