[Sypher_5]

You work online can be as valuable as the contents of your portfolio, who is to say what will be checked by a prospective employer ? Having talked to some I know that your online profile can be just as important as your offline one. Complaining online, if you dont say anything nothing will be done. If a stolen asset is not removed you can get the website taken down till it is, I've already seen this happen in this community though it was keep reasonably quiet (AFAIK).

They shouldn't even be given the chance to use your own work as their's. If you were to create controllable cold fusion free for the entire world would you happily let "John Doe" take the credit ?

Say the asset appears in two mods & both claim credit. Who is to be believed ? Both files wont be the same as something has been changed, however the original was actually made by one person and the work on the second was minor.


For example which one isn't a major mod ? Second Wave or LOFS, Pro:Gen, Blitz 2 ? To name a few.

[Nezill]

Besides, this was not complaing, it was ALERTING people of a possible rip.

Originally Posted by Sypher_5

If you have no morals I guess your parents bitterly failed you.

lol I totally agree.

[killakanz]

Originally Posted by key0p

Any good art student knows to keep a record of their work, as this is the only thing that can show that their work is not totally plagiarised.I save my work regually.If I wanted to prove that I did indeed create a model, well I have all my saved 'max files to show all the steps I went through to make it.

I do man.



I always keep a bunch of progress screens which I never show to anyone.

[Kained]

The Harrier remains the properity of Killa, releasing material on the internet does not waiver Killas rights to that model. This is why companies build into contracts the companies right to use any material made while working at that company.

Citeing the internet as an excuss to plagerise has no legal basis, as such Killa can ask for the model to be removed from the LoFS mod. If within a reasonable time it is not removed or an agreement reached, Killa can then contact their service provider and ask for any downloads or references to his model be removed. If compliance is not meet then further action can be taken.

This is of course an extreme example, we all know theres a grey area of usauge in the internet and things can usualy be worked out with a few emails but don't start thinking that because somethings on the interent that you can simply steal it and present it as your own.

[Flyby]

Kained is correct in that respect.
A public release on the internet does not invalidate the copyrights of the original owner. A copyright claim is considered valid if you can show proof of the creation process, hence that you're the original creator...

However, copyright issues are increasingly difficult to maintain if the model has been substantially altered.
I don't know the exact legal condition for digital content, but I do know that in Europe at least 7 substantial differences must exist (for design objects, like chairs etc..) before it is no longer considered an abuse of copyrights.

[killakanz]

all I see on theirs is 2 differences:
-edited skin
-addition of missiles under wings

[key0p]

ROFL killa is the only one of you being grown up about it.Hes the only one not upset.He has his records of his work, and he has his ability.

And it is whinging not alerting.You didnt have any goddamn proof except a screen shot.And if someone brings out a good mod, I couldnt give a rats hoot where the models came from.

Geez Im glad if I want a job animating I dont have to worry about what work I may or may not have done for free for a modding community rofl.

I know about copyright, and regardless of whether or not it breaks the laws, making a big deal out of a low poly model like this which anybody could whip up is really really REALLY fucking sad.

Dont even try to compare doing this little thing with creating cold fusion rofl.Try a bit of perspective you guys are not saving the world or anything your not even making a living out of it.

You can call me names or whatever but your carrying on like little children.Your prospective employers will care more about if you can get the job done than if you wasted your spare time making sure nobody else ever used your simple models for a game.

[killakanz]

well, you're right there, I'm not that bothered about it. Heck my stuff gets everywhere these days, my Apache for example.

[key0p]

Exactly, you have to learn to accept it aye

[Eradicator]

Originally Posted by key0p

If you dont understand "learning by example" by now then I guess your parents bitterly failed you

You havent proven that they ahve ripped it, that where the maturity comes in Eradicator.

I dont mean one single harrier file.Every time you save you should make it a new file.Not only does this allow you to go back to any stage of the model, but gives you an excellent record of evidence.If you have your records of work then it wont matter who rips it and does what with it now will it? You can always show that you are capable of doing the work when the ripper just says "um I just made it". Whinging about it(especially without evidence) when neither you nor the other team are making money off it is a pure ego driven wank.

You cant be bothered or you cant really argue?

The point of modding is to make variations of the game that people enjoy playing.

My arguments come from the point of view of shared knowledge.

*sigh* Maturity? Your the one trying to make me look like a bad guy when this doesn't even concern you. I was trying to find out if they had ripped the model and I point out several facts that indicated they had.

Like i said earlier I would be glad if someone could prove me wrong, which you have utterly faild to do. I have provided as much evidence as I possibly can without their gmax files. Read my posts. You obviously haven't yet.

I do have a record of every single model I have saved and at each stage, but it is killa who has done most of the work on this. I simply boned it. Killa probably also has these "records" you speak of. Of course I have the proof the our team made a Harrier. It's the LOFS Harrier files I don't have obviously!

Are you going to change your argument again? What happened to the "rip away" comment? This community obviously doesn't support ripping as the Infusion incident showed I suggest, if you do, then simply leave instead of trying to turn it into a flaming contest. Kained, thank you! And key0p your the only one NOT being mature about this. Calling people ego driven wanks is mature? Nobody has called you names. Your the only one throwing around pathetic personal attacks and your not even involved, lmao! Your the only one flaming here.

BTW I'm not upset to the level that I'm going to be depressed, lmao. I don't exactly think about this dutring my day, lol and I'm not exactly losing sleep over it, but it's not like I'm going to condone ripping and the issue should be brought up. "ripping" stuff in Generals is allowed because its a mod. Thats what a game mod is... How the heck do you intend on making on mod for Generals without re-using Generals art or code. Unless your making a Total Conversion. Heck EA even packaged extra models with ZH for just that purpose.

Anyways! If someone with contacts with LOFS could psot here that'd be great or anyone you speaks Chinese.