eye of sauron always from right

yuri5282 · 01-14-2005, 05:18 PM

you know what i find silly

this game has so much detail and things to make it look real but the eye of sauron always comes from the right while al the maps in this game have a specific location on the world map

if you play in rhun mordor is south but his eye comes from east

same with helmsdeep sauron is in the east but the eye comes from the west

its just a minor detail that looks stupid if you think about it

Lord Arkaine · 01-14-2005, 07:58 PM

Yet, another thing that's stupid is the eye itself. Sauron, after all, had no literal lidless eye. Even in the movies, I doubt they expected that to be a literal interpretation. I mean, Frodo was able to see the eye as if it were right in front of him. If Mordor were truly months away from him, this would be impossible.

Phoib · 01-15-2005, 04:47 AM

Sauron only excists as the Eye at the end of the Third Age.

And with Helmsdeep the Eye comes from the west?

ComradeJ · 01-15-2005, 07:10 AM

No, it gets weird when two sides play Mordor and there are two eyes of Sauron. Another thing is, that the Eye comes from nearly right up above, while most of the time, the distance from the Barad-dur is larger than the BD's height, making the angle completely wrong.

Phoib, he's right. The upper part of the Helm's Deep map is actually the South side, it's turned 'upside down', so you can see the fortress itself better.

bananas · 01-15-2005, 01:22 PM

The evil lighthouse of Barad-dur thing is goofy as far as the book goes. He wasn't a giant red eyeball. That was his symbol, and characters had visions of his eye, but as far as his form I bet he looked pretty much like he did at the battle in the prologue of the movie, but choosing to stay in the rear with the gear and use his minions - just like his ex-boss Morgoth. The few times throughout history he did come out of whatever base he had and fight he always got his ass kicked in the end. Would've been cool as hell if they had just stuck to the book.

ComradeJ · 01-15-2005, 05:13 PM

No, I believe he actually was and eye in the books too, but instead of being made out of fire, it was surrounded by it. I think.

bananas · 01-15-2005, 07:31 PM

How did he flee from Dol Guldur back seventy years during The Hobbit, as an eye? Or better yet how does an eye wear a ring? Gollum, who spent some time in Barad-dur with Sauron mentions the "Black Hand" several times in the books and also how he still only has four fingers on it.

But anyway the eye in the game isn't coming from Barad-dur, its coming from a friggin satellite, what do you think that thing that shot into the sky from Minas Morgul was? Particle cannon, duh!

Wize · 01-16-2005, 05:44 AM

Pfft.. if you read Tolkien's Books (and it's also quoted in the movie) Saruamon states that:

"He isn't able to take Phyiscal form YET"...

So in regards to the Eye/Ring debate.. We presume he needed the ring to re-enter the world..

Spy · 01-16-2005, 12:18 PM

Who is Saruamon?

Concerning the direction of the eye..... Why should we assume that the North is always UP? Maybe the maps are rotated to receive the 'sight' from right.....
Anyone has tried to rotate the map in-game? The eye's light keeps coming from the right? or it rotates with the map?

bananas · 01-16-2005, 03:03 PM

Wize that line isn't in the book. It's only in the movie. There's a lot of stuff that only appears in the movie and seems to be accepted as Tolkien canon.

Here, this is a revealing little tidbit that Tolkien wrote to a fan, the setting is if Frodo had managed to keep the ring from Gollum and it wasn't destroyed in the lava while the nazgul were heading there.

"...The situation as between Frodo with the Ring and the Eight might be compared to that of a small brave man armed with a devastating weapon, faced by eight savage warriors of great strength and agility armed with poisoned blades. The man's weakness was that he did not know how to use his weapon yet; and he was by temperament and training averse to violence. Their weakness that the man's weapon was a thing that filled them with fear as an object of terror in their religious cult, by which they had been conditioned to treat one who wielded it with servility. I think they would have shown 'servility'. They would have greeted Frodo as 'Lord'. With fair speeches they would have induced him to leave the Sammath Naur – for instance 'to look upon his new kingdom, and behold afar with his new sight the abode of power that he must now claim and turn to his own purposes'. Once outside the chamber while he was gazing some of them would have destroyed the entrance. Frodo would by then probably have been already too enmeshed in great plans of reformed rule – like but far greater and wider than the vision that tempted Sam (III 177) – to heed this. But if he still preserved some sanity and partly understood the significance of it, so that he refused now to go with them to Barad-dûr, they would simply have waited. Until Sauron himself came. In any case a confrontation of Frodo and Sauron would soon have taken place, if the Ring was intact. Its result was inevitable. Frodo would have been utterly overthrown: crushed to dust, or preserved in torment as a gibbering slave. Sauron would not have feared the Ring! It was his own and under his will. Even from afar he had an effect upon it, to make it work for its return to himself. In his actual presence none but very few of equal stature could have hoped to withhold it from him. Of 'mortals' no one, not even Aragorn. In the contest with the Palantír Aragorn was the rightful owner. Also the contest took place at a distance, and in a tale which allows the incarnation of great spirits in a physical and destructible form their power must be far greater when actually physically present. Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic. In his earlier incarnation he was able to veil his power (as Gandalf did) and could appear as a commanding figure of great strength of body and supremely royal demeanour and countenance.

Of the others only Gandalf might be expected to master him – being an emissary of the Powers and a creature of the same order, an immortal spirit taking a visible physical form. In the 'Mirror of Galadriel', 1381, it appears that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of wielding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord. If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. But this is another matter. It was part of the essential deceit of the Ring to fill minds with imaginations of supreme power. But this the Great had well considered and had rejected, as is seen in Elrond's words at the Council. Galadriel's rejection of the temptation was founded upon previous thought and resolve. In any case Elrond or Galadriel would have proceeded in the policy now adopted by Sauron: they would have built up an empire with great and absolutely subservient generals and armies and engines of war, until they could challenge Sauron and destroy him by force. Confrontation of Sauron alone, unaided, self to self was not contemplated. One can imagine the scene in which Gandalf, say, was placed in such a position. It would be a delicate balance. On one side the true allegiance of the Ring to Sauron; on the other superior strength because Sauron was not actually in possession, and perhaps also because he was weakened by long corruption and expenditure of will in dominating inferiors. If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been destroyed, taken from him for ever. But the Ring and all its works would have endured. It would have been the master in the end.

Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron. He would have remained 'righteous', but self-righteous. He would have continued to rule and order things for 'good', and the benefit of his subjects according to his wisdom (which was and would have remained great)..."

He wasn't a frickin eyeball perched on a tower.