[AlliedG]

its an shame that in this society mass media dictates peoples mind as advertising is always continually asking us to want more.

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In addition, it's a big difference between accepting that you don't know and pretending you know and lying to the world.
It is your side fooling and using the world. Not mine.
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Your "side" fecked up the planet and nearly killed off an entire race, so don't say you don't fool and use the world, society has always abused its privledges since the dawn of time.

Also we aren't "pretending" we know, its such an hard concept trying to explain to an non-believer, its an personal one on one situation.

An true christian ideology, does not associate itself with governemnts or ancient rituals.

Its about an personal relationship with a god, you seem to just point out incidents where human greed and egotism (the major driving force of millions of individuals) are publicy shown.

Also because an few people left, that somehow equals an majority? This discussion has no end, its like arguing over the chicken and the bloody egg. There is no solution until the end.

If anything, religion bashing is an cheap punchbag for any atheist or person that is full with themself.

The most irrating thing about you Renegade, is not the fact that you don't agree with me, its the fact that you gloat and generalise.

[Whiteboy]

All atheists I have heard before seem cocky, irritive and arrogant.

Anyway. Ren, this is not about standing ground or fleeing - it's about "your side" standing there, staying behind and looking dumb, while my side moves ahead to not waste time arguing about something totally pontless and non-productive for the participants.

Think about it... you can stand there on your hill all day prancing around saying "YAY! I WON, I WON!!! :lol:" but in the end, "my side" doesn't give a damn. We quit wasting time. We never decided to drop our argument; our case - we simply dropped arguing.

You should have just dropped it too. Would have saved you some typing.

Speaking of saving typing... Cannis...*cough*lock*cough*

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

its an shame that in this society mass media dictates peoples mind as advertising is always continually asking us to want more.

It's a shame that Christians are so gullible that they don't even need mass media to have their mind controlled.

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

Your "side" fecked up the planet and nearly killed off an entire race, so don't say you don't fool and use the world, society has always abused its privledges since the dawn of time.

Proof?

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

Also we aren't "pretending" we know, its such an hard concept trying to explain to an non-believer, its an personal one on one situation.

Yeah, I know. You're so much better and more advanced because you believe. You can see and feel things I can't feel.

You know, there's also another group of people claiming that.
...although they're usually in an asylum.

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

An true christian ideology, does not associate itself with governemnts or ancient rituals.

And yet the pope and the church were always quick to say what should and should not be done. True Christian ideology is a Utopia. And still can't prove what it says is correct.

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

Its about an personal relationship with a god, you seem to just point out incidents where human greed and egotism (the major driving force of millions of individuals) are publicy shown.

No, it's about the fact that you claim there is a god at all, yet cannot prove it and still behave like you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

Also because an few people left, that somehow equals an majority? This discussion has no end, its like arguing over the chicken and the bloody egg. There is no solution until the end.

Actually, that problem is none. Use your head and it's solved in a second.
Christian: Bible says god created the animals. It does not say he created baby-animals and eggs. Ergo, you can be pretty sure god created a few chickens first, and they laid eggs, not the other way round.
Evolutionary: Even simpler. One day there was a pre-chicken who's genetic structure was almost identical to the "real" chickens we have. It laid an egg, evolution kicked in, and in that egg the first ever "real" chicken started to grow. The egg was first.

If Christians just once started to use their heads instead of letting others think for them...

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

If anything, religion bashing is an cheap punchbag for any atheist or person that is full with themself.

No, what's cheap is lame excuses like this instead of accepting that my initial point still stands and you can do nothing about it: You cannot prove god exists or that the Bible is true. No matter how often you tell how lame I am.

Originally Posted by AlliedG";p=&quot

The most irrating thing about you Renegade, is not the fact that you don't agree with me, its the fact that you gloat and generalise.

And of course you don't need to show any example for this lame accusations, 'cause your word is more than enough.

Stop!
Whiteboy time...

Originally Posted by Whiteboy";p=&quot

All atheists I have heard before seem cocky, irritive and arrogant.

That is because your inner Christ rebels against the crosses of logic and thought they send your way.

Originally Posted by Whiteboy";p=&quot

Anyway. Ren, this is not about standing ground or fleeing - it's about "your side" standing there, staying behind and looking dumb, while my side moves ahead to not waste time arguing about something totally pontless and non-productive for the participants.

This ahead-moving, not-wasting-time, productive side, your side...is this the same side still relying on a thousand-years-old book, denying proven facts for centuries (Galilei), too advanced to allow safe sex? This very side?

Face it, man. It's the church, the Christians, who are not moving. They are still, like little children, denying every seed of reason on their fallow acres of thought, not having used a second of their life to double-check if what they preach all day makes sense at all.

Originally Posted by Whiteboy";p=&quot

Think about it... you can stand there on your hill all day prancing around saying "YAY! I WON, I WON!!! :lol:" but in the end, "my side" doesn't give a damn. We quit wasting time. We never decided to drop our argument; our case - we simply dropped arguing.

And this illusion is, why your side fails.

Originally Posted by Whiteboy";p=&quot

You should have just dropped it too. Would have saved you some typing.

I don't mind the typing. It's relaxing.

Originally Posted by Whiteboy";p=&quot

Speaking of saving typing... Cannis...*cough*lock*cough*

Nah, no locking. Perhaps split and attach to a certain other thread...

[AlliedG]

Examples of your side fecking up the planet? Uh nazism, capitalism, dictatorships, explotation of 3rd world countries, nearly are prime examples of an atheist approach to society.

Hey Renegade I'm sure your own country has its own unique examples. In the UK, an stupid authority instilled fear and a waste of life by commiting the crusades as a an example/

Our minds aren't "controlled" we have free choice, we decide to live a life with different rules so what? I admit offical "religions" like catholics, quakers, jehovah's, anglicans scare me, as human rules are being forced down peoples throats.

See I can can at least try to understand your point of reasoning, yet you don't bother to try to understand, you just dismiss. The way you are typing suggests to me that you think all christians follow the pope.

Also Renegade, you obviously enjoy "arguing" with us otherwise you wouldn't have it in your signature. P.S. u need to update your signature.

If your were being racist, sexist, nazist or something similair, you would be outright banned but since its religion its "okay" to bash us.

Also why the feck did an chicken, suddenly develop egg producing capabilities, you don't have an reason for it, you just say "luck chance, or its enviromental" evolution is far too slow for certain changes to have ever occured. I think quite illogical how you can simply say " one day chicken decided to develop eggs"

Also I've never said I disagree with evolution, I'm not an literalist I feel lucky to be in an modern society where freedom of speech and open minded thinking is encouraged.

If you ever want a discussion about christianity be my guest, but try to be as neutral and open-minding in your thinking as possible.

Also whats wrong with certian rules which are given to us in text

"we are stewards of the planet" i.e. we should look after it, seems like common sense to me but people are only realising after scientists and technology which develop the problem in the first place realised "oh there is a big hole in the o-zone layer"

"you shall not have intercourse until marriage and other sex related pratices" - well having multiple partners and underaged sex has led to sexual tranmissions. Also I would like to point out, I am a strong believer in contraception but people should realise why sex exists in the 1st place.

"homosexuality" - I'm not homophobic but men and women are different for an reason. If were slugs or snails then that would be fine but we are not. I also don't understand why homsexual couples ask for adoption of children. Your lifestyle obviously leaves out children automatically.

"do not murder, do not steal" - common pratices which the law enforces.

"do not worship other gods or idolise" This doesn't mean just stone idols and philosphies, its mean money, celebrities, fame. An look of people have had these things but many of them are never fully happy, so of these are but you need to question how hollow there inside self is.

"Love your neighbour as you love yourself" - whats wrong with that? Ghandi himself said that if every christian were like christ everyone would be an believer.

Basically Renegade I agree with you on one point.

I disagree with the pratices made by "offical" christians and GOD channel USA frenzy. You could bash them an 1000's time over but I would advise you not too otherwise you be writing forever.

What I don't agree with you, is that by referring to public events or bad experiences with other less mature christians (yes I have been guilty of flaming before and for that I apologise) that somehow gives you an enlighten view of christian faith.

Finally that asylum statement was uncalled for, we still bleed, we still get hurt, we still "sin" but we try to improve ourselves, we are never "happy" with our old selves, we always strive to become better, but in the process, we realise we need help and that we should offer non-believers the chance as well.

When I say we think and feel differently, I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm explaining an mind set which is impossible to explain with words, yes I know that last statement sounds lame but I'm trying my best to explain, I am still learning in christs following and I'll never have all the answers, I'll never claim to. All I know is that my believe in Christ has given me an chance to be saved. If you don't believe in it fair enough, i'm cool with that.

Anyhow typed too much, I'm sorry again for any unintended aggravation.

[WingDingo]

Wow, maybe this should be locked. I never got an answer either. I do wonder however how long it will take to get locked. If this interests people, the longest I'll say is, say, Sometime next week. If people are tired of tihs, I give it till Friday.

[CannisRabidus]

This topic should not just be locked, it should be deleted. But out of respect for those who wrote a helluva lot, I'll lock it today and delete it in a day or two.

My forums have a place for this sort of discussion, but these forums do not. We should respect that (I am guilty here also).