[Aspexicse]

"Talented people have their own projects to work on." So you're free to help him then? :P Seriously, makes you sounds a bit full of yourself there, dont you think?

And here I was thinking people who used good grammar and who used words like "necessarily, indicate and intelligence" meant they were intelligent.

If you're too busy to help or are sick of people asking for help why reply at all if it's usless and doens't help in any way except to tell them in as nice a way as possible to P'soff.

"Hiya Kaiser. If you want to learn modding you can try Tibed. It's a very easy tool that can help you familiarise yourself with modding."

"ok, if you use it to flick between the editor and the code to see what happens, thats fine, but the way tib-ed works, just doesn't allow for a great mod to be created. "

Isn't that what he was suggesting? Sounds like he's trying to get him to use it for learning purposes to me.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by SITHDUKE";p=&quot

Hiya Kaiser. If you want to learn modding you can try Tibed. It's a very easy tool that can help you familiarise yourself with modding.

Screenshot of Tibed

aaaaaaaaaha ahaahahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah HE SAID THE WORD!!! THE WOOOOORD!!!

*assumes fetal position*
*starts crying*




Okay now, seriously. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Both of you. You have no right to doom this poor newb, especially not people like Aspexicse, who obviously have no idea who they're talking to. Had you any bit of knowledge of this community, even the slightest gram of info you need to participate in a discussion here, you'd know that D is more talented than any of you n00bs will ever be.

You have one post, child, and you already made two grave mistakes - you defended TibEd, an unmissable and undefendable sign of a complete and utter lack of modding knowledge, and you actually had the impertinence of directly insulting a Community Patron. You're done here.

I'm sure you'll come back to this with some arrogant "who do you think you are, what makes you better than me" reply, but fact is, either you're gone after a few posts anyway, or you actually try to stay and realize that
a) Your TibEd powers don't mean a fuck here, and
b) You pissed off some people who could have been of great help to you.

In other words, contrary to what you were trying to imply, you are the arrogant, dumb bitch - not DCoder.
But it's not like we're not used to this from you TibEd n00bs.

[DCoder]

Originally Posted by SITHDUKE

DCoder told him to figure it out for himself as him and others like him are too busy for "noob" projects. That isn't helpful or constructive

I didn't use the word "noob". If you were to look at bobing's post right above yours, you would notice the explanation of the difference between "noob" and "newbie". In case you can't find it (and with that point of view I'd be surprised if you could find your arse without a map),
"newbie" defines a person that is new to the community, but not necessarily new to modding,
"noob" or "n00b" defines a moron or worse.
When I wrote my original post, I was under the impression that Kaiser is a newbie. That impression still holds. Newbies need help, assistance and protection from you TibEd loving retards, and you are a perfect example of why.

Originally Posted by SITHDUKE

(A)nd I'm branded the "all caps noob", go figure.

The "all-caps" comment is in reference to your all-caps nickname, go figure.
The "noob" comment is, obviously, in regards to your pro-TibEd attitude.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse

"Talented people have their own projects to work on." So you're free to help him then?

Oh ha ha. You must've been a riot in that asylum they kept you in, eh?
Seriously, I don't work on any mod. But I have other projects, which take just as long as mods do, however, I still find time to visit the forums and help people.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse

Seriously, makes you sounds a bit full of yourself there, dont you think?

Oh my goodness you're right. I will go and alert the fairness police of my unruly behaviour immediately. In the mean time, why don't you make yourself useful and find a job as a speed bump.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse

And here I was thinking people who used good grammar and who used words like "necessarily, indicate and intelligence" meant they were intelligent.

That was ... predictable. And not the least bit original. But wait, originality seems to lack in all of you TibEd-eers.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse

If you're too busy to help or are sick of people asking for help why reply at all if it's usless and doens't help in any way except to tell them in as nice a way as possible to P'soff.

I'm not telling him to "P'ssoff" as you put it, I'd be happy to see him stay, learn and become a respected member in due time. I was just showing him how the real world works: Mods don't get done in a week's time, heck, the very CannisRules he used as an example has been in development for what, three, four years now? So, oviously, talented people are busy with their own work. Who is left? Newbies and you n00bs.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse's profile

Joined: Jun 07, 2006
Posts: 1

That is just too big of a coincidence. Come on, admit it, you're either SITHDUKE in disguise, or just his friend he asked for help. No way am I going to believe you're just a passer-by, who, by accident, found this particular thread and felt the need to interfere.

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[Karan Sjet]

Kaiser, just one thing. TibEd is a really stupid thing. Really. It looks like a cool tool, but it will eventually mess up your rules and won't allow you to make almost all of the interesting stuff those advanced tutorials are about.

I learnt modding this way-
1:I was reading trough the INI. I found that pretty hard.
2:I Downloaded TibEd- In a week, (of HUGE work)all my work was fu*ked up.
3:I started looking for help. I found www.ppmsite.com, which is where I started in community (except one post in TibEd forum asking about my fu*ked up rules.
4: I downloaded all the topics from PPM, some from Deezire, though that was 30 pages so not all, some from Cannis, some form Sleipnir' stuff, some from Revora (you don't necessarily have to download everything, but by after reading, I knew how to mod, who to respect, and even some very advanced stuff). If you want to download something like that now, I recommend NOT downloading much stuff from the last year, except RockPatch.
5:I took a lot of time reading that. It was fun.
6:I knew to mod. Only after THAT I found the tutorials.

[SITHDUKE]

I never said 'I' use Tibed. I'd happily admit DCoder is easily better at anything C&C modding related than I am either. If you think Tibed sucks then that's just where our opinions differ I guess because I taught me what the heck a 'Locomotor' was. Forget whether I said noob or newbie, my point was you didn't help him at all.

[Karan Sjet]

He did. He said something about trying to learn himself. And that's the best way to go. Search forums, read comments, don't be afraid to clone and change units...
The best way to learn what the tag does is to set it to extremely low, and then extremely high value. That way you get a much better description than is even in Deezire's Guide or in ModEnc. For instance, if you set Speed to 1, the unit will soon get stuck. If you get an Internal Error, try to see what changes you made (DO NOT delete code, comment it out.)
and then ask on the forums. In cases like this, ModEnc can be helpful as there are descriptions of many errors and generally a lot of stuff.

If you want to start a mod, first start with something easy, or join to another mod. (many are on PPM, Revora or Cannis)

[Aspexicse]

No, no you're right about the fact I'm not a passer-by I'm his bro. Cause believe it or not forums aint my thing, nor or starting, responding to and maintaining arguments.

But if he learns in T***d that changing as Duke said a locomotor means he can make a dude run as fast as a combat bike then he's learned something. I dont use T***d although I did defend it to a degree as I dont think it's as utterly usless to everyone who in this case wants to get familiar with the basics. You dont learn binary/C++ before you ever pick up a computer mouse, y'know? Well, er unless you're on a laptop with those finger pads. :/

But OK my bad if I've misunderstood but dont you think it'd be better for him to use the program to do the simple things he wants to until somone has free time to actually rip him away from the program and teach him the ins and outs of every ini file?

OK then I see the alternative (in the post above) but the only difference being is T***d comes with everything under one roof so to speak. Thats why it was suggested.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

No, no you're right about the fact I'm not a passer-by I'm his bro. Cause believe it or not forums aint my thing, nor or starting, responding to and maintaining arguments.

oooooh, so you're just here because your brother cried, but have the ultimate knowledge and power to decide who is worthy to listen to and who not? And you tried to make DCoder look arrogant?

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

But if he learns in T***d that changing as Duke said a locomotor means he can make a dude run as fast as a combat bike then he's learned something.

Yes. He learned clicking a button. That does not count as "learning to mod" in a text/ini based modding environment. 'cause, believe it or not, when you're actually modding, the ini doesn't give a fuck whether you can click buttons or not.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

I dont use T***d although I did defend it to a degree as I dont think it's as utterly usless to everyone who in this case wants to get familiar with the basics. You dont learn binary/C++ before you ever pick up a computer mouse, y'know? Well, er unless you're on a laptop with those finger pads. :/

Dude, you don't get it. You don't learn doing something by not doing it. Basically, what you're saying is: "NBA 2006 is good to learn Basketball because it teaches you the basics." - sure, you learn the rules, tactics, just as TibEd tells you there's a [General] section and Locomotors - but the moment you're on the court and getting the ball, you'll have to realise how horribly, horribly wrong you were.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

But OK my bad if I've misunderstood but dont you think it'd be better for him to use the program to do the simple things he wants to until somone has free time to actually rip him away from the program and teach him the ins and outs of every ini file?

NO. That's like if your parents taught you to use guns to shoot yourself in the face your entire childhood, and then you go to the army...

Plus, if you guys are too stupid to adjust the value at Damage= to change the damage of a weapon, you'll never be able to do anything else but TibEd anyway.

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

OK then I see the alternative (in the post above) but the only difference being is T***d comes with everything under one roof so to speak. Thats why it was suggested.

It may come with everything under one roof (I doubt it) - but the furniture is nailed to the ground, the power is out and the water is toxic.

[SITHDUKE]

[quote="Renegade";p="133057"]

Originally Posted by Aspexicse";p=&quot

No, no
Plus, if you guys are too stupid to adjust the value at Damage= to change the damage of a weapon, you'll never be able to do anything else but TibEd anyway.

Where do you get the idea that I can't mod without Tibed? Nobody is wrong about Tibed, it's an opinon.

[bobing]

tibed = fuxed up code.